Warning: There are spoilers ahead for Sunday's "The Walking Dead,""Worth."
Simon finally faced the music on Sunday's episode of "The Walking Dead."
Negan rolled out his master plan to get back at those who backstabbed him and first on his list was Simon (Steven Ogg) for disobeying him. Simon ordered the massacre of the junkyard crew a few weeks back. Simon tried to act quick and plan Negan's murder, but not before Dwight sold him out to the Sancturary leader.
INSIDER spoke with Steven Ogg about his final episode on the show, what it was like getting turned into a walker, whether or not he knew about the Oceanside reveal, and his disappointment in Dwight's betrayal.
How he felt when he found out Simon was going to die
"As soon as that call comes through, you have a good idea of what it is. You greet it with, 'Oh, well, so, that's it, huh?' It's generally not like we're discussing a wardrobe change," Ogg told INSIDER. "So, yeah, I mean, the initial thing is you want to put up a brave face, and be like, 'Oh, it's cool.' But at the same time, you're sort of like, 'Aw. Bummer.'"
What he thought of Negan and Simon's trial by combat
Instead of getting a bat to the head, Negan decided to give Simon a chance to rule the Saviors by fighting to the death.
"I loved it. It was sort of like honoring the sense of dignity or honor that is being presented. It's like, "Okay, let's do it." He says before we walk in, "You kind of gave me one. I'm going to give you one." I said to everyone, "Well, yeah, we got to appreciate what Negan did, and respect him for that. I think this is his response." He's like, "Okay, we're going to do it, in a sense, honorably — not just going to smash your brains in. Whoever wins, wins. So I think it was him showing his honor, if you will, in their own bizarre, twisted fashion."
"I think it's more, really, just this is the honorable thing to do, I'm going to show you respect by taking you out the way you want to be taken out, face to face, whoever the winner is," he added. "I think it was more that."
He wished the fight was more like a scene straight out of "Fight Club."
Ogg said the scene reminded him of David Fincher's 1999 movie since they had the entire Sanctuary gathered around to watch the fight.
"That's just total 'Gladiator,' 'Fight Club.' I mean, I wish we could've been just bare-knuckle, shirts off, 'Fight Club,'" he said. "That's what I had envisioned, or truly wanted, was just nasty — eye gouging, biting. Pure, disgusting, two men beating themselves or someone to death. But you obviously can only do certain things. There are parameters."
Ogg didn't see Simon's opening shot in the fight to be a cheap shot
Simon opens up the fight with a speech to the group before getting in a quick backhand to Negan's face to get the fight started early. It was definitely a cheap shot, but not according to Ogg.
"Well, that's perspective," Ogg said. "I don't know if it's a cheap shot, or it's just sending sort of a ... I sort of call it the literal and figurative backhand. Little backhanded compliment there. Little backhanded statement."
"I wanted to start it with something surprising. That was important. I was like, 'Yeah, you know, you're great. Thanks for ...' Boom! Put him into this position." he continued. "That was something that I pushed for, and wanted. Let's get this thing going."
What it was like filming the fight with Jeffrey Dean Morgan: A lot of fun.
"At the end of the day, it's fun," he said. "When you're dripping with sweat, that's always a good sign, because you're bringing the A game, if you will, bringing that intensity. That was fun. It was fun."
He didn't know Simon was responsible for killing Oceanside's people, but he wish he did.
Ogg said if he had known Simon killed the men and boys of the Oceanside community, he may have played the character differently from the start.
"These are the things that are interesting surprises for the actor. Because yeah, it obviously ... It would then inform what you're doing. Had I known ... I don't know. That could be part of the, not manipulation, but part of the master plan of [showrunner] Scott [Gimple]." said Ogg. "If I would've known, let's say, from the get-go, from the very first time we see Simon, if I was told, 'OK, Simon's the guy that a year ago, went and massacred every male at this outpost, at this community,' if I was told that a year ago ... OK, would I have played Simon so kind of cocky, and infusing him with a sense of humor? I don't know. I might have chosen, from the get-go, to portray him as a terrible, psychotic, dark, twisted killer, and not worried about people liking him, if this role was that of chaos, destruction, and death from the get-go."
"As an actor, I don't want to be loved to be hated anymore than I'd want to be hated to be hated, or loved to be loved. That's not my responsibility," he continued. "You just want to serve the story, serve the character. It's more about being truthful to whatever that character is or is developed. I never set out thinking, 'How are people going to respond or think about this?' That's not my thing. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? That's not your job."
What it was like getting turned into a walker
"That's quite a procedure. It's very fun. It's a few hours to do that," Ogg said of his zombie transformation. "Again, if you're going to go, you want to go big, right? Go big or go home. It was certainly a big death, and it was certainly fun, and it was very cool to be made up, and into that. You're like, "Ay, look at me! I look gross! I've got blood in my mouth!' So that's sort of the little boy, an actor going, 'Look what I'm doing, mom! Ay, mom and dad, look at this!' It's fun. It's crazy."
"To go through that, to have that experience, obviously, with the incredible team that is assembled to do the makeup, it was ... It was bittersweet, obviously, because you know this is a goodbye, but you're also like, 'Hey, this is cool!'"
How Simon felt about Dwight betraying his trust: Disappointing.
Dwight made Simon believe he was prepared to kill Negan and accept him as their new leader, but that wasn't the case. He went running to Negan and spilled the beans about Simon's little plan. Simon wasn't happy in the least.
"Yeah, a bummer," Ogg described Simon's feelings toward Dwight. "I think there was certainly a time, especially in that one episode where... he was obviously messing a bit with Dwight, but when he says, 'Why don't we just start again, man?' I think there was a side of him that was thinking, 'Man, why don't just you and I start an outpost together?'-type of thing."
"So it was disappointing. But listen, everyone in this world is, in a sense, duplicitous. How much do you trust people? That's why it's not necessarily about the zombies. It's about survival in the world, and how people act, and how people behave. I think that's what is disappointing, in a sense," he continued. "I don't know, really, how much Simon fully trusted Dwight, but at the same time, why do people survive? Why don't they kill themselves, in this apocalypse? Well, because they have hope. There's some hope, right? It's hope to live yourself. Hope, to Dwight, it's hope to find his wife, get back with her. So I think Simon had a little bit of a hope, little bit. 'Hey, maybe I can trust this guy.' So, that's going to hurt. That's always going to hurt."
What it would have been like if Simon learned that Dwight betrayed everyone at the Sanctuary
"It would've been interesting, right? I mean, there's so many different options. So many things that could potentially happen. That's what makes it fun and exciting," Ogg said. "Hopefully the audience enjoys that aspect of it. I think it would've been an interesting turn of events."
What Simon wants to see happen to Dwight: Nothing good.
Simon wasn't the only one who was discovered for his backstab. Near the end of the episode, Dwight discovers that Negan knows about his betrayal and it's not clear what will happen next.
Ogg says Simon would want to see Dwight get what's coming to him.
"Not nice. I think it's not cool to have done that, so I certainly think if Simon was still around, he would want a definite comeuppance for Dwight," said Ogg. "So, yeah, smash away."
We'll have to wait until "The Walking Dead's" finale next Sunday to see if Dwight gets the bat or if Negan has other plans in store for him.
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