Warning: Major spoilers ahead for the "Westworld" season two finale, "The Passenger."
"Westworld" star Katja Herbers made a surprising reappearance on the second season finale of HBO's hit sci-fi/western series. After her character's tragic death at the hands of her own father on the season's ninth episode, Herbers returned for a special post-credits scene.
We've done a deep dive into what this important scene between "Emily" and "William" means here, but keep reading for Herber's interpretation of the moment and its impact on the rest of the season.
Kim Renfro: What was your first reaction when you got the script for this episode and realized that you were cropping up again in the finale scene?
Katja Herbers: I really questioned the nature of my reality. I questioned everything in retrospect for a second. I was very confused, but from my understanding, everything that happened between the Man in Black and [Emily] prior was real, and he did kill me.
Here we are sometime in the far, far future where I am a host and I'm not entirely sure what the Man in Black is. He might be some other thing entirely.
Renfro: Did you have conversations with either Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy or the director about this scene?
Herbers: I mean, I had a lot of questions and theories, and they confirmed some of them, and Lisa and Jonah were both on set we filmed that last scene. But, no, I'm still not an authority about what's actually true.
Renfro: OK, but from your understanding, it's sometime in the distant future, and this is a separate exchange?
Herbers: It might be connected, yeah.
Renfro: I felt like it was connected to what we learned earlier in the episode about how there was a repetition of events, like with James Delos there was a core moment in his life that happens no matter what the simulation did, no matter what path they sent him. So, it felt to me like, the moment of the Man in Black killing his daughter was the thing that kept happening over and over again.
Herbers: Yes. I think that would be beautiful. Because it's the same with Logan and Delos, you're absolutely right. I think that could very well be true.
Renfro: When we spoke last week, we talked about whether or not Emily could resurface as a host in the future, and you had said that you would be heartbroken to not play a human version of her anymore. So, does this count as you having to step into that host version of Emily, and what was that like for you?
Herbers: I don't know if I'm going to be back, but I'd be very happy to, obviously. But nobody's told me anything about that. I guess if I were to come back, this version that we've now seen in [the finale] would probably be one of the versions of Emily that we would see. But the possibilities are endless. We could also go back in time.
I really enjoyed playing the character of Emily when she was in the park, and my remark about being a bit heartbroken was about that and how much I enjoyed who that person was. But this person who we've now seen in [the finale] is obviously very different, has a different energy. I would be slightly saddened if that were the only version that we would get to see of Emily in the future. But, I'm sure if it were, then the writers would make her version interesting.
Renfro: What was your process with trying to figure out what that energy would be for this finale version of your character?
Herbers: Because it was such a big deal and it's the ending of the whole season, Jonah and Lisa were there and very hands-on. They had a very clear idea of what my energy should be like. So I just let myself be guided and molded by them into this sort of ... I don't even know if I can pinpoint it exactly. I just watched [the episode] myself.
I'm happy for the viewers to make an interpretation of who she is rather than for me to say what I've been playing. I'm always more interested to know how something comes across than what I put in it.
Renfro: The term fidelity has come up time and time again in season two, and obviously it's the final line of the season. What's your understanding of that term, specifically of how it relates to the idea of recreating a true person in a host human-hybrid?
Herbers: [The answer] is embedded in your question, I think. From what I understand, it's making somebody true to who that person was originally. So, if you're true to who you have been and if you're not a rip-off of your prior version.
What you touched on earlier was how what we saw between Delos and Logan is that Logan has been trying to change that moment between them, right? So, I guess there's also a version where he's not trying to make him pass the fidelity test completely, but actually modify his father slightly.
Renfro: And that connects to Dolores and Bernard, because we see them have conversations in this episode as well where she talks about how if she had made him exactly like Arnold then he wouldn't have survived. That's really interesting.
Herbers: Yeah, so we're going into genetic modification. It's pretty timely, as well.
Renfro: When you look at season two as a whole, is there one scene that stands out to you as the biggest surprise?
Herbers: Well, for me personally, it was my father killing me, obviously. I don't think there's a bigger moment than that. But, I also was pretty mind-blown from the first time we see Emily and the way she behaves in The Raj and how she shoots Nicholas to make sure that he isn't a host and decide if she wants to sleep with him or not.
I would be really interested to see more of that side of her, as well. I thought that was unlike anything I've ever seen on TV, basically. I haven't seen anyone behave like that.
Renfro: It's funny that you bring that up, because I feel like the people who really believe that either Emily or William were both hosts the whole time point at that scene. They've noticed that you didn't get shot, so there was no verification that Emily wasn't a host. But you mentioned at the start of our conversation, you don't think that that this post-credits scene retroactively discounts all of the big human moments we've seen between Emily and William?
Herbers: Not at all. Not at all. I don't think so. I think dramatically it would make that moment [William kills her] meaningless and I don't think it is. Or, not meaningless but it would take away the biggest heartbreak you can imagine.
And I think it's such a big story moment for the Man in Black —a defining moment for his whole character. I think it would be really silly if we were hosts. But, look, I don't know, but I clearly don't think that's the case. Hand over heart.
I'm wondering how it'll play out, how people will respond to [the finale] and if it'll mean that it's confirming that we're hosts, or one of us was a host all along, or the other way around.. But I really do not understand it that way, I don't think that's what happened.
Renfro: Going back to earlier episodes,I know that you are multi-lingual — what was it like learning Lakota for your scenes on "Westworld"?
Herbers: Probably the hardest language I've ever had to learn for anything. It was very, very, very difficult. I studied Latin in school, so I can often quickly understand the structure of a language or have some sort of idea of where to place it or where the sounds come from, but this just ... I didn't understand anything.
I had a very nice Lakota-speaking lady who taped it for me. And so I basically just listened to that on repeat for 24 hours. It's a very powerful language to speak. It's beautiful. Then the Lakota teacher on set said, "Once you speak our language, you are now one of us." Thought that was very special.
Renfro: So they had consultants on set with you during your scenes as well?
Herbers: Yeah, there was always somebody on set — thank God. Also, the Lakota is different for men and women, they speak it in a different way. So we had a male teacher on set, but my lines obviously were for a female, so he would constantly be in contact with this older lady who would help out.
It's so special, I really find it moving, actually, that there's about 6,000 people in the world who still speak Lakota, and that such a big show would use it as the main language for most of the episode. That's very, very beautiful.
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