Warning: Minor Spoilers ahead for the second season of "Westworld."
After a lengthy hiatus, the second season of HBO's hit sci-fi/western series "Westworld" is almost upon us. Details about the coming season have been sparse, but star Clifton Collins Jr. — known as both Lawrence and El Lazo on the show — is keeping fans on their toes.
"There's some crazy moments in season two when even Ed [Harris]and I looked at each other and just gave ourselves the, 'What the hell?' look," Collins told INSIDER. "I had to re-read it several times because I just couldn't believe my eyes."
Keep reading to learn more about what Collins' character Lawrence gets up to on the coming episodes, and how even he didn't realize William and the Man in Black were the same person until watching the first season finale.
Even the "Westworld" actors are kept in the dark most of the time
Kim Renfro: What can you tell us about how the coming robot revolution will work out for Lawrence?
Clifton Collins Jr.: There's an overall general coming of consciousness to some degree. To what degree, I can't really elaborate on. I myself don't know even how it will ultimately be cut together, but I can speak to [the way] we have to go through pain to learn a lot of things. On season one, Lawrence experienced quite a bit of pain through the loss of loved ones.
A lot of people have to experience personal loss to have empathy unless you grew up humbled, or poor, or were taught empathy — because I do believe it can be taught.
In Lawrence's case, he's a very humble person. So I'm cautiously optimistic, but very, very, very excited for the stuff that I've heard from Lisa Joy and Jonah [Nolan]. They're pretty happy with the stuff that was brought to the table [for season two].
Renfro: You were one on of the few actors who had multiple scenes with both Jimmi Simpson's "William" and Ed Harris as the "Man in Black" on season one. How did you first find out that they were actually the same character?
Collins: It was all in post [production]. I was like, "What? Really, that's happening?" It's funny. There's this beautiful camaraderie amongst the cast where ... I'm sure if we asked to know certain details, the showrunners might tell us some things. But we all want to play by the rules.
I think we all respect each other's work ethic and the way we work. I hear side chatter and stuff, [but] I'm not that guy who's trying to figure out what's going on. I'm the guy throwing his hands up in the air, yelling out, "Go for the loop."
I'm excited about the moment of the character, and that's all I can really play to, because I don't know ultimately what will happen. What's on the page isn't necessarily how it's going to end up.
You really never know how they're going to put it together truth told, except for the obvious big scenes. I'm actually going to see some of it this week.
Renfro: Will that be the first time that you've seen any of the second season?
Collins: Yes ma'am. Oh yeah. It's more ADR stuff, but those slices are like little appetizers to an amazing feast so to speak. It's fun to see just a little sliver, because it's just all so beautiful.
Renfro: What was it like for you to see fans, especially on the "Westworld" subreddit, putting together all the puzzle pieces during the first season?
Collins: It's quite the cerebral show. It's a thinking person's show. You always have to pay attention to those fans that are just smart as a Ginsu knife set. You know what I mean?
There are special people who can put all the pieces together. It's fun for me, since I'm both in it and I'm also a fan. So please, no spoilers.
The biggest surprise from the first season scripts
Renfro: I'm sure I know far less than you. So when you were watching the first season from that fan standpoint, what was one of the biggest surprises for you?
Collins: That's a really good question. I watched the whole season three times [...] There's just so much going on, it's a testament to the writing that you can re-watch it and learn new things.
Honestly there are so many jaw-dropping moments for me. It's like I'm not even in the show. That's what it feels like to me. But I think one of the biggest [surprises] for me personally, as a fan, were the revelations with Bernard.
That was one of the bigger ones. I had a WTF moment. I was like, "What? No way, I can't believe this." You're having to pause it and you walk around pulling your hair out for a minute, for like 10 minutes, and then you sit back down and hit play. It was like, "This can't be happening."
Renfro: The line where he says, "What door?"— I freaked out.
Collins: You're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, rewind that. Rewind that. He couldn't have said that." And he did. It's like, "What the hell?" There's a strange duality [in me]. There's the actor who is in the show, and there's the fan that has nothing to do with the show, except that he loves it.
Filming "jaw-dropping" season two scenes with Ed Harris
Renfro: What was one of the most memorable days on set this season?
Collins: [The most memorable day] was also my biggest lessons. When you're shooting on location outside of California, there are a lot of things that are out of your control, including time, weather, things of that nature.
So when you're on a 1,200 pound horse, you're running in these locations where there aren't many clearly defined trails. Your horse is going to find a way to get from A to B, even if that includes jumping trees and things of that nature.
So that was eye opening, and I learned to do it instantly. My horse was just jumping bush, after bush, after bush. It was pretty funny.
I was looking for some patches where I could land just in case. And you realize that there's nothing but cactus plants everywhere, you're like, "OK, well I'm going to hit at least two or three cactus plants, so just go with it."
I just hung on for dear life. And I know on the outside I probably looked semi-cool, but on the inside I was just screaming like a little Catholic school girl.
Renfro: One of my favorite scenes for Lawrence was the "blood bag" moment with the Man in Black. What was your initial reaction upon reading that scene and filming it?
Collins: It's funny that you brought that up, because that's one of the moments I also recall in season one that was pretty grim. You just want to make it believable and you care so much about the project, so you're pretty much going to do whatever's asked of you because you want to. And a scene like that ... that was a lot of blood.
That moment for Lawrence [had a] sense of betrayal. It's a character, but when you spend 14 hours actually being somebody else, and there's 10 hours left in the day to be Clifton, and maybe seven of those hours are for sleep; you spend a lot more time thinking about this other person's life. So often times when you get out of a scene like that, you're left with so many other ill feelings, so to speak.
Renfro: Did you just not talk to Ed Harris for the rest of the day?
Collins: [laughs] "You can go to hell, Ed." He's becoming an amazing mentor. I've been fan of his work since I started acting, and even before.
But there's some crazy moments in season two when even Ed and I looked at each other and just gave ourselves the "What the hell?" look. Like, "Oh my god." There's something that happens where I had to re-read it several times because I just couldn't believe my eyes. Same with Ed, too. It was another bonding moment for us.
Renfro: Can people can look forward to some more of that chemistry between you two on the coming season?
Collins: For sure. The chemistry's much tighter, so there's some really great stuff that happens. And again, I haven't seen it, so I don't really know how it's going to play out, but if it were to play out in the lightest version of it, it's still pretty jaw-dropping.
Renfro: What is security like on set and with the scripts, given how popular the show is now?
Collins: We're all pretty tight and protective, the actors included. I proudly come home and shred all my scripts in a paper shredder. I sit here and just gloat, because I shred everything. I'm like, "Haha, I'm not going to be the leaker. They're not going to get it from me. You're going to have to waterboard me."
I'm literally shredding handful after handful, and just happy. "Oh, episode one's gone. Episode two's gone. Episode three's gone." I celebrate the shredding.
Renfro: One final question about season two. Jonathan Nolan recently said that there are titles for the season as a whole. Season one was called "The Maze" and this coming season is "The Door"—
Collins: Oh, that's good to know. Spoiler alert! I told you, you knew more than me. There's proof, proof right there. You said "The Door?"
Renfro:"The Door," yeah. Does that trigger anything for you?
Collins: You've got my wheels spinning fast and hard right now. Oh, oh, OK. Yeah, you know, I don't know that this is right, but if I were to hear that and then pull from episode one, I mean season one, I would think ... I don't know, something to do with alternative worlds possibly I would think. That's just my guess.
Renfro: Right, and Nolan already revealed the Shogun World exists.
Collins: I think that might have something to do with it. But who know, maybe he threw you for a zinger. You never know, because a lot of us actually don't know. It's beautiful. It makes me happy.
This interview has been condensed and edited for clarity.
"Westworld" returns to HBO on Sunday, April 22, at 9 p.m. EST.
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